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Welcome to Season 2 of the New Waters podcast.

Listen in on a genuine conversation about where we’re finding ourselves as the church in Canada and how we sense God calling us to be the church of the future.

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Created for leaders who are hungry to learn what it means to be the church in Canada—both now and in the future—the New Waters podcast will help you ask big questions and equip you to lead thoughtfully as you engage with faith and navigate the sea of change we find ourselves in.

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About the Music


We enlisted a Hamilton-based father-son duo called Dad vs Son to create a track especially for the podcast. Here is their artist statement about the song "Waves" :

When we were creating the song “Waves” for the New Waters Podcast, the idea was to build the foundation of the track through sonic waves of white and pink noise created by analog synthesizers. Waves begin to sync up with the percussion to be part of the beat, creating a sense of journeying and movement. LFO waves were added to the bass line to also give it a rolling sound. The drums are started in reverse to give a sense of looking back from where we have come. The high synthesizer arpeggiator is in a major key to contrast with the minor chords of the omnichord.

We were trying to split the difference between optimism and the pain involved with starting something new. 

All the sounds are unique and are designed by Dad vs Son. There are no pre-sets being used in any of the digital or analog gear. So even the "sound waves" are unique and hopefully lending themselves to the idea of water and journey. The synthesizer sounds were chosen to sound both retro and futuristic at the same time, to emulate the process of starting something new while leaning on the traditions of those that have come before us. 

It is kind of like using a boat that is tried and true to explore some new waters.

- Randell Neudorf of Dad vs Son

Season 2 Participants

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VIJAY KRISHNAN | Lead Pastor at Upper Room Community Church in Vaughan, ON

As a young adult, both in business school and corporate life, Vijay encountered many people who found the church to be an obstruction - rather than a pathway - to finding God. His conviction was that many people had walked away from a Jesus they had never even met. This set him on a path to be part of, and eventually pastor, a community of faith who were fixed on introducing the unchurched, de-churched and post-everything people of the Greater Toronto Area to Jesus. Vijay contributes thoughtful, whole-hearted insights as part of the table.

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DOM RUSO | Lead Pastor at the180 Church in Laval, QC

Hailing from la Belle Province, where he pastors a vibrant New Venture in Greater Montreal, Dom describes himself as "the friendliest" of our Season One podcast participants. Dom's early faith experiences came from going to a Roman Catholic Church and later experiencing an added understanding of his faith within a Protestant context. The richness of this upbringing led to numerous questions which eventually drew him to making a commitment to follow Jesus and pursue pastoral ministry. With a PhD in historical theology, Dom lends a forward-thinking, thoughtful, and assertive (read: Italian), voice to our conversation.

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JOANNE BEACH | Director of Alliance Justice and Compassion in Toronto, ON

Joanne directs the relief and development department of the Christian & Missionary Alliance Church. With a Master’s of Theological Studies (with a focus on International and Urban Development), she has traveled to over 50 countries, allowing her to experience what God is doing in many different cultures and contexts of ministry. With an obvious heart for the marginalized, she advocates for the church's special role in remembering and serving the neglected as part of Season One.

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JOSH KOH | Pastor at Fraser Lands Church in Vancouver, BC

With Chinese parents who immigrated to the U.S. from Taiwan and Malaysia, Josh was raised in Chicago and is American by nationality. After completing his Bachelor's degree at Wheaton he pursued his Master's of Divinity from Regent College in Vancouver, where he is now settled and holds the role of Pastor of English Ministry at a multilingual church. He explains part of his calling as a desire to preach the gospel in a clear and life-giving way to his generation - a generation which is exiting the church in large numbers. Josh contributes his mindful perspectives as part of Season One.

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LEE BEACH | Associate Professor at McMaster Divinity College in Hamilton, ON

Lee is an Associate Professor of Christian Ministry at McMaster Divinity College in Hamilton, Ontario. With 22+ years serving in pastoral ministry, a scholarly passion for "exilic spirituality," and time serving with a new church initiative in Ancaster, Lee is not unfamiliar with what it means for the church to grapple with new things. Lee offers his insights into developing a hopeful and prophetic imagination as he guides the conversation in Season One.

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NATHAN WESELAKE | Lead Pastor at Prairie Alliance Church in Portage la Prairie, MB

Following the completion of a BA in Political Science and a Master's of Christian Studies at Regent College, Nathan decided to move home to rural Manitoba before pursuing postgraduate studies. He took on what he thought was a temporary pastoral position and now, 17 years later, he is still (happily) a pastor! With strong leadership skills and a passion for communicating the narrative of Scripture, Nathan lends his keen insights to our Season One conversation. Nathan is also currently rediscovering the prominent role of his ancestors in reconciliation among the Metis nation in Manitoba.